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Thoughts or opinions, anyone?

http://www.december212012.com/

http://www.survive2012.com/

http://www.apocalypse2012.com/

http://brookenney.com/2012Group.htm

Interesting articles and good information. We've seen alot of "end of times" theories and proclamations come and go during the course of history. I don't know . . . but then again . . . I never thought I'd see earthquakes in North Texas either!!

Quote:
"2012 FOX news DOOMS DAY with GERALDO RIVERA
Geraldo Rivera reports on the coming events of December 21 2012."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington_Hotel

Quote:
The Mystery of Al Capone's Vault was a one-time live American television special broadcast in syndication in April 1986 hosted by Geraldo Rivera. The program was centered around the opening of a secret vault once owned by noted gangster Al Capone. The program is now perhaps best-known for the vault being ultimately empty except for debris.
End quote.

I've been disappointed by Geraldo before, but I'm going to tune in to see what he finds this time. Maybe it will be that Obama will be elected for a second term in 2012. That really might be the end, for me.

Holly, I have decided not to comment (after saying I would) on the 2012 year from other viewpoints because it would just be speculation and others' interpretations and serve no honoring purpose for me as a Believer.

Thanks again for the links. Very interesting.

As usually is the case, I'm really not sure what to think about this anticipated year/ event. Having little knowledge of the Mayan calendar(s), my first question would be, What other events in recent history have been predicted by its tracking?

We live in a society which is fueled by fear. And it is the Christian way of things to place our faith in the Lord .... though even He spoke of signs.

But He gave no dates; in fact, seemed to point to their potential as being deceptive.

No man knows the day nor the hour ....

But He gave no dates; in fact, seemed to point to their potential as being deceptive.

True Holly as far as "dates" but He did give us "times" and "seasons" and the prophets to consider as when the time is drawing near.

Remember that with God a day is as a thousand years in a figurative matter of speaking.

Sometime ago I discovered the most amazing pattern for numbers in the Bible.
Now the numbers themselves have no power--that is Numerology and to be avoided at all costs. However certain numbers have great and significant importance in understanding meaning of a verse or passage as do the product or multiples of certain numbers. The meaning becomes clear.

It is way too complicated to go into here--but nowadays googling reveals alot of info--some of course has to be viewed with discernment.

Very, vey briefly: 1 V V VIP--the Godhead, Unity
2--witness, agreement in one sense and differing w/o argument or rancor in another
3 V V VIP--the Trinity/God in action
4--the World, Nature, etc
5 V V VIP--Grace
6--man, human
(666--the ultimate in all that is human that is against God)

7 V V VIP--God's sacred perfect number that signifies His completion
8 V V V IP--New Man (The Christ Jesus), New Beginnings, Resurrection (in Christ's redemption, reconciliation and restoration), often used in multiples.
9 Very unique, special number--"It marks the completeness, the end and issue of all things as to man—the judgment of man and all his works."
10 V V VIP--Perfection of Divine Order, another of the perfect numbers--those who "overcome"--achieve the Goal of their faith etc .
11--eleven is 10+1, subversive of and undoing God's Divine order. Whether 10 + 1, or 12 - 1, it is the number which marks, disorder, disorganization, imperfection, and disintegration.
12 V V VIP--perfection of Divine government/ Divine governmental order

40 V V VIP marks a generation, a period of testing like a probation period--NOT judgment VIP and lots more could be said

50 V V VIP Jubilee, Joy-- ALL brought to perfect and final rest after deliverance. Complete and total It is 7x7+1

Like I said this is very brief but just knowing this much opens a new world of understanding and meaning. All are important but the ones I said V V VIP have way more crucial and vital understanding.

About 3 weeks ago I lectured on Deut. 16--the Fall Feasts of Israel and the importance of "7" alone was faith building review but all the numbers are found in that great chapter of repentance, redemption, reconciliation and restoration culminating in the great feast of Tabernacles.
Yet if you just look up Fall Feasts--even in a "Christian" dictionary- they were just agrarian festivals for ancient Israel

Yes and true to all the above, Sharon. I have read a little book on number patterns in the Bible (building on those you shared) but am not sure of how much truly may be 'encoded' within the Good Book. That is beyond any ability of mine to determine, but I am intrigued by the patterns and put nothing beyond God.

2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist
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MEXICO CITY (AP) - Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades - the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However - shades of Indiana Jones - erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 - including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy

Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity - a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."

The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091011/D9B8P09O0.html

At my age (67), I know my world will come to an end soon. I think average life expectancy for men who reach age 67 is currently less than 15 years. That seems soon enough. Obama will probably be in his last year as President (assuming they change the term limit law). The Supreme Court will probably be made up of female Mayan Catholics. Spanish will be the official language. China will probably own the world. What a great fun ride.