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Grandbury Light Plant

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Grandbury Light Plant

Postby survivingworldsteam on Tue May 15, 2007 5:36 pm

This is a bit far from Dallas; but one could easily make ties to it. Besides, not much lately in the way of photographs in the Photography forum. :D

Last year, my wife took me and the family to Grandbury, Texas; at the time the antique engine show was taking place. After taking in the sights around Grandbury's wonderful courthouse square, we went to the park so I could taken in the antique engine show.

My wife had a surprise for me there. As I walked into the gate, I heard the unmistakable, very low frequency THUMP ... THUMP ... THUMP of a large, slowly turning reciprocating engine. Looking towards the sound, I couldn't believe what I saw:

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Walking up to the door, I found out this was Grandbury's old light plant; an historical marker at the door gave some details:

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Walking inside, I was treated to the sight of massive Fairbanks Morse engines, coupled to antique squirrel cage generators, turning just like they would have 50 and more years ago:

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While they are not steam engines; their design and overall appearance resembles the massive stationary steam engines from which they were derived. They are facinating in their own right, but they also earned from me the title of "honorary steam engines" :lol: :

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The construction of the building itself resembles Waco Pumping Station, as well as Cadiz Pump Station in Dallas.

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Notice how the pipes are color coded. I can't tell you now what color is what; but it helped tell the operator at a glance what lines were for fuel, cooling water, and compressed air. Notice the electric motor driven circulating water pumps on the right. An air compressor (the air was used to turn them over to start them) and a switch/gauge board made up the remainder of the plant.

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Here is a look at the light plant from the front, with the compressed air starting tank sitting outside, and one of the engines exhausting with that wonderfull, almost breathing sound. I spent several minutes just walking around inside, soaking in the sights and sounds that are so rare these days.

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Most of the gentleman inside were elderly; some looked like they could have ran the plant during its heyday. It left me wondering who will take over when they pass on.
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Postby Sharon Marsalis on Tue May 15, 2007 6:18 pm

Thanks James. You are really a super photographer. I love the fact that your wife "surprised" you.
I am glad you posted because I have been wanting to tell you how you were the topic of conversation at a restaurant dinner we had about 2 weeks ago.
There is an old building here that has had a Comedy Club in it for years. Just recently a very good fairly small restaurant with bar opened in the basement.
We could not believe our eye upon entering this old cellar--there was all this machinery and huge wheels and small wheels and tubes everywhere that had been preserved but all painted chrome. In the midst were the tables and a bar. We immediately thought of you and your steam engines etc.
Upon inquiring it turns out that the building had housed Raleigh's first CREAMERY--it was not a steam engine at all but it is so fascinating to learn how the cream went through the system to end up on the loading dock outside. (Maybe some of the same process or mechanics??)

BTW you don't have to stick to Dallas on our Family Forum.
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Postby survivingworldsteam on Fri May 18, 2007 2:34 pm

Thank you Sharon; just wrote you a long reply complete with pictures; but lost my blasted connection with the server. :evil:

May try again later. :cry:
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Postby survivingworldsteam on Fri May 18, 2007 2:36 pm

Thank you Sharon; just wrote you a long reply complete with pictures; but lost my blasted connection with the server. :evil:

May try again later. :cry:
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Postby Ronnie on Sat May 19, 2007 4:56 am

Sharon

Are you talking about the Enoteca Vin? I got an email a few weeks back about that place from a wine loving pal. He said it's located in the "Pine State Creamery" building in Raleigh. He spoke very highly of the place.
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Postby Sharon Marsalis on Sat May 19, 2007 6:35 am

Ron, the restaurants are in very different old creameries.

Enoteca Vin is one of the best restaurants/wine bars anywhere. It is actually owned by the owners of one of our largest wine "warehouses" so always has excellent wines. What sets it apart though is the young woman chef and her menu. She is a true artist in the kitchen.

Vin (as it has come to be called) is in the same hot area of restaurants/bars as Underground--the fairly new restaurant in the creamery basement
Vin is one of those casually chic modern places--brick walls, exposed ceillings etc up a few steps. Adjoining on one side is another restaurant similar to Chilis and attached on the other side the old creamery is now a string of apartments--would love to see them inside to see if vestiges of the old creamery are still there.

Actually we are going to Underground tonight for our second time.
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Postby MikeM on Sat May 19, 2007 2:31 pm

Ron... as the fates would have it, we were in "downtown" Raleigh today and stopped to get a burger at a restuarant next to Enotaca Vin.

I had my camera with me and captured Vin and Sharon for posterity.

There is a major redevelopment going on in the area with historic buildings being renovated... and several 20+ story luxury condo buildings recently completed or underway. Second pic is a view from one of the condo's that was holding an open house today.

Mayberry is hoppin'.

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Postby MikeM on Sat May 19, 2007 7:32 pm

James... Sharon had told you about a Raleigh restaurant that is built in an old creamery that kept it's pumps and motors on display. It's called the Underground.

Here's a pic that I snapped tonight with my phone camera... not up to the level of your pics, but thought you might be interested.

This is the smaller setup with four belts. There is a seven belt unit next to it... but unfortunately in poorer lighting.



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Postby survivingworldsteam on Thu May 24, 2007 1:20 pm

MikeM wrote:James... Sharon had told you about a Raleigh restaurant that is built in an old creamery that kept it's pumps and motors on display. It's called the Underground.

Here's a pic that I snapped tonight with my phone camera... not up to the level of your pics, but thought you might be interested.

This is the smaller setup with four belts. There is a seven belt unit next to it... but unfortunately in poorer lighting.

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Mike and Sharon;

Thank you very much for the pictures, and your very kind words. Now that the move from one house to the other is almost behind us, I have th energy to post anothe attempt at a reply. :wink:

It is so neat to see an industrial building where they actuall kept some of the machinery in place. That is exactly what Larry Tucker and myself had in mind for the 1907 compressor house at the former Solvay Coke plant in Milwaukee, Wisconsin:

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Like most steam powerhouses, it had two floors. The second floor, or the machinery deck, had eight massive steam powered compressors and blowers. (I am sorry they are so dark; but there was no power to the building when Larry took his pictures.)

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The ground floor, or first floor, is mostly taken up with the concrete foundations for these machines; it also often has the condensors that condense the steam back to water for pumping back to the boilers along with various pumps, pipes, and tanks. It also had the restrooms/washrooms.

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The massive foundations can make for creepy spaces:

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Anyway, our proposal was clean up and restore the compressor house, and let the first floor serve as a visitors center for the new development of condos and marina on the old plant site.

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The second floor would be preserved more-or-less intact as a museum, giving the development a tie back to history. It could have also made for an interesting meeting space, as you saw in your visit to the Underground.

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Although it was a steam powered compressor house; you can now compare it to the pictures I took of the Grandbury Light Plant, and see that it was a great standin for a turn-of-the-century Light Plant or other steam powered facility. I had written up a proposal to have it declared a Wisconsin history landmark and an ASME Mechanical Engineering Landmark, but it went nowhere.

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The developer, Tom Short, came across as sympathetic. Two articles were published about our efforts in the Milwaukee Journal Sentenial, and an episode of the "Urban Explorers" series in Milwaukee was filmed there. (The film crew called me from the plant site to ask "now what is it that we are filming here, and why is it important?" I am mentioned in the credits at the end.) But, as he ran out of money trying to clean up this massive superfund site, he decided to tear down the compressor house anyway.

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Two of the engines and some smaller engines (from the boilerhouse) and pumps were saved. But all Tom got out of it was brick and concrete, plus a few pipes. Why he could not just leave it intact along the office buildings to the north puzzles me to this day; to best of my knowledge, it still looks like it does in this Google shot; unless a new buyer of the site cleared the remains out. (The stacks on the right are from the former boilerhouse)

http://tinyurl.com/2wy3n5

So, you can see that many of these industrial sites, steam or not, look very similiar, with their pipes, compressors, pumps, engines, and tanks everywhere; much like you found in the Underground. However, once you scrap the machinery out, and blow down the stacks, then it becomes just another building. That of course, is what is being down with the old TXU plant in Fort Worth; and is usually the case.

A more well known example is Battersea Power Plant on the shore of the Thames in London. That name would not ring a bell in most people's mind, but the image below of it will for many folks:

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Yes, this is the plant over which the rock group Pink Floyd (later others) floated the pink pig for the cover photo of the album "Animals". It was this scene that was duplicated when an inflated pig was floated over Dallas Power Plant, as mentioned on that thread.

This plant is quite historical. Designed by the famous architect Sir Giles Gilbert Scott, it was the first large central electric station to be built in Europe. Battersea-A was completed in 1933 and Battersea-B was completed in 1953. There were fears that the massive amount of emissions from it's stacks would do Londoners harm (including "bleaching babies"), so a wet type scrubber, the first of their kind, was installed in the square base of each stack. It did indeed result in cleaner stack gasses, but it also made the gasses cooler, so that they sunk down onto the city rather than rising higher and disappating; so they were a mixed success.

It is a registered landmark; and locals wanted it preserved intact as a museum. But instead, London Power and the developer scrapped out all of the machinery, and left it a crumbling shell of a structure:

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The original development failed; but apparently a new one has been started; here is a great tour of the plant courtesy of the BBC:

http://tinyurl.com/7ttsf

Here is a webpage that illustrates some preserved power plants in Europe; including another former power station in London, Bankside Power Station, now the Tate Modern Art Gallery:

http://www.industcards.com/pp-conversions.htm

And finally, a great article on European industrial preservation efforts: Europeans are giving new life to relics of the industrial era. They have a much easier time "getting it" than us forward (not past) looking folks in the States.

Thanks again for your feedback; hope you enjoy this as much as I have putting it together.
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Postby MikeM on Thu May 24, 2007 7:06 pm

James... thanks for the pictures and tremendous amount of interesting background on these pieces of our history. The London Pink Floyd connection was obvious but would have been missed without a little hint.

I'm sorry that a lot of people can't see the advantage of keeping these massive engines and buildings in place. It just takes a little creativity to incorporate this old items into today's and tomorrows treasures.

I know that it breaks your heart to see the destruction of things that can't be recreated.

In our case, besides the great food of the 'Underground Restaurant' here in Raleigh, the relatively small engines and pumps give the restaurant a feeling that can not be recreated.

I'm glad that you found the pics that I took with my phone cam interesting, I was surprised that I could capture anything at all in the low light environment.

BTW, we had a soft shell crab entree and NC sea bass! Ummm Wish you were here! = Mike & Sharon
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Postby survivingworldsteam on Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:07 pm

Could someone please move this one to the Technological History forum. Many thanks in advance.
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