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My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

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My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby survivingworldsteam on Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:21 am

I didn't get a chance to finish my flight in South American this past weekend because I was working on my own personal time machine -- my Viscount Aerospace G.P. bicycle. I bought it my sophmore year in high school in 1977, I think. I worked in a series of bicycle shops throughout high school; at the last one I worked at; I found this bike sitting in the warehouse with a broken front fork. (The previous owner not only succeeded in the breaking the front fork, but tweaking the horizontal and down tubes; cracking the paint.) I bought it at a discount from the owner of the shop, put a new aluminum fork on the front, and removed the reflectors and kickstand to save weight. With the sewup rims and tires it first had, my "street racer" weighed only 20 lbs.

The Viscount line of bikes were originally sold under the Lambert name, starting in 1972. The British firm went out on a limb; rather than buying all the various pieces from the normal sub-suppliers, they made or had made for them, parts of their own design and markings. The resulting line of bikes were as light as bikes costing $1,000 or more, but they sold for under $500. They became insolvent in 1975, thereafter became "Viscount" cycles, which in turn became heavily invested by the Yamaha Motorcycle Co.

They featured an internally lugged and brazed frame made of aerospace grade chrome-moly steel; and only weighed 3.75 lbs. The hubs and bottom bracket used off-the-shelf sealed bearings instead of the usual ball bearing and races used by other bikes; the benefit claimed being low maintenance. The front sprokets, crank and pedals were also made by Viscount or it's suppliers, and the pedals featured what seems like hundreds of needle bearings instead of ball bearings (ask me how I know....) The center pull brakes, seat post, handlebar post, handlebars, and brake levers were all made by Viscount, rather by the usual sub-suppliers. The front and rear derailers and rear sprockets were off-the-shelf items.

Unfortunately, it was the Viscount made parts that caused the most problems. In particular, the aluminum front forks earned the nickname "death forks" for their tendency to break. While the previous owner succeeded in breaking them; I never had that problem. However, when Yamaha took over the company in 1978, they sent all of the owners a replacement steel fork. I recieved mine, and installed it as well to be on the safe side. The crank axle and other parts were also prone to failure; although many folks including myself had years of trouble free service out of them.

The tubular tires were too fragile for city use; I had two or three flats in short order; which required tedious unsewing, patching, sewing back up, and glueing back on the rim. So, I replaced the rims with 700C rims that take heavier tires and tubes. With the steel front fork and "clincher" tires, the weight rose to 25 lbs; it was still a relatively light street bike. (The Schwinn Varsity I had before it weighed something like 42 lbs.) The "mountain" brake shoes I bought for my previous bike, a frame mounted air pump, and a Cannondale water bottle which was wrapped in velcro which held it onto a velcro cradle were the other items I added to it.

I probably put thousands of miles on that bike. A friend of mine lived across town, I would ride my bike to visit him, and we would walk together to where ever we wanted to go. I took with me on vacation, and rode it to school, college, and work. I also enjoyed just riding around town, listening to my newfangled Walkman (remember those?) I also rode a couple of 20-30 mile rides, and finally, my ulimate, a century; or hundred mile ride. (I also rode across town to where the ride began and back; with lunch stops and breaks, it took twelve hours.)

I think I rode it briefly when I moved to Beaumont in 1990, but a flat tire caused me to put it up for good. I then dutifully dragged it from one house to the other; but never riding it. The low point was when we moved after Hurricane Rita; I left it leaning against the wall in the back yard, but when my son-in-law gave the boys our dog; he proceeded to knock it over and to chew away the seat, rear tire, and toe clips. The foam handlebar covers began rotting off; and rust appeared here and there.

Still I moved it to our current residence, and placed it in the shed. I fixed up a bicycle for my oldest son, and Saturday, I fixed a bike my son-in-law was riding till he pulled the rear wheel out of alignment. With my health taking a turn for the better, I decided to pull it out, and fix it up.

Two new tires and tubes, a new saddle, new toe clips, and new foam handlebar grips cost nearly half what that bike cost me back in 1977; but then again, they had a new street bike on display for $3900! The sealed bearings in the crank were seized, and the wheel hubs were rolling rough; I poured Lucas oil treatment into all three, and they seem to be rolling fine now. I am not comfortable enough on it to replace the toe clips (which strap your feet to the pedals, and allow you to pull up as well as push down), and haven't taken the time to put the new grips on yet; but I cleaned it up, and it is rideable. I forgot how much air pressure those tiny tires need - 105 PSI.

Although it is properely set up for my inseam, it is a very tall bike, with the handlebars slightly lower than the seat in correct racing/touring manner. It also has a short wheelbase, as racing bikes do; so it is very "twitchy." So, I was a little nervious riding it again after nearly twenty years of being away from it. But our first ride went fine; we also took our bikes to the fireworks display at the lake, where my first downhill run reminded me how fun this bike could be; as I must have done 40+ miles per hour on some downhill runs while on vacation back in my past.

You can find anything on the internet, I believe; and here is a broucher that promoted the bike when it first came out. Notice how they tied it with aerospace engineering. These bikes never were very popular, but apparently there are still a few of them out there still in use; and loved and appreciated by their current owners; and wanted by those who used to own one. Now, it's motor needs some major tuning up. :)

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To show how much things change; while everything was strap-on in the 1970s (to keep from weakening the frame tubes); there are now brazed on bits and eyelets to hold everything in place. The velcro Cannondale water bottle passed out of style, and the brake shoes are obsolete. But all the parts I needed to do a "working restoration" were still available.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Bill Crane on Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:51 pm

One of the cooler personal pieces I have seen on this message board. Thanks for posting!
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Clyde Howard on Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:52 pm

My nephew Eric is a biker. Worked in a bike shop while he was in college and then bought and operated it for several years. Then decided to become a CPA...

I'll try and see what he knows about Lambert/Viscount.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby survivingworldsteam on Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:31 am

Bill Crane wrote:One of the cooler personal pieces I have seen on this message board. Thanks for posting!


Thanks, Bill, I am glad you enjoyed it.

I am sorry to hear that Adam is not feeling well, and that it is affecting his memory. I would think there would be interesting technology to share in motorcycle racing as well.

The ultimate in racing bikes are track bikes. They are single speed, and have no brakes. There is also no freewheel, the pedels are directly connected to the back wheels. (They stop by applying backwards force to the pedals, or grabbing the front wheel with a gloved hand.) They also have no rake in the front forks; so the wheelbase is even tighter.

They are meant to be ridden on special tracks, called Velodromes. They are also part of the summer Olympics; along with the bobsled runs in the winter Olympics, they are one of the few events that I find particularly interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_bicycle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velodrome

While they are meant to be ridden on velodromes; some individuals ride them on the street. Besides the danger of riding such a bike on roads that you share with other vehicles; I don't know they stay together, since they are not made for rugged use.

http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2008/ ... fixie.html

There is a Velodrome here in Frisco; need to take the boys there one day to watch them.

http://www.superdrome.com/

Wasn't intentional (really), but while I am typing this, the Tour de France, one of the ultimate road race events for bikes, is taking place.

http://www.letour.fr/indexus.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_France

Finally, mechanically speaking, a bicycle is 88% to 99% mechanical efficient; one of the most mechanically efficient machines in use. However, they suffer tremendously from aerodynamic drag. Streamlining the parts of the bike (in particular the number and shape of the wheel spokes), and wearing smooth fitting clothes and a proper shaped helmet helps. But the most advantage is gained by following someone else, and letting them expend energy pushing the air aside for you. Known in automobile racing as drafting, the principal is the same -- letting the other rider use up energy while taking the lead, then passing them up at the last minute. The key to it all, and where the race gets interesting, is the juggle between who will lead and who will follow, and when to make the jump to the front of the pack.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Ronnie on Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:03 pm

James
I agree with Bill. This thing is a work of art and is a pleasure just to look at. Thank you very much for sharing your "objet d'art".
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Clyde Howard on Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:13 am

Sent your post, including the material on the bike, to my nephew. He said that was pretty neat, and that he'd had occasion to work on several of them while he worked in/owned a bike shop,
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby survivingworldsteam on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:40 pm

Clyde Howard wrote:Sent your post, including the material on the bike, to my nephew. He said that was pretty neat, and that he'd had occasion to work on several of them while he worked in/owned a bike shop,


That's neat Clyde; thanks for forwarding it to him. The person in the bicycle shop in Cleburne who was helping me was also working in bicycle shops in the 1970s, and saw a few of them as well.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Sharon Marsalis on Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:44 am

Beautiful piece of art, James!
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Clyde Howard on Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:11 pm

survivingworldsteam wrote:
Clyde Howard wrote:Sent your post, including the material on the bike, to my nephew. He said that was pretty neat, and that he'd had occasion to work on several of them while he worked in/owned a bike shop,


That's neat Clyde; thanks for forwarding it to him. The person in the bicycle shop in Cleburne who was helping me was also working in bicycle shops in the 1970s, and saw a few of them as well.


Eric's time in bike shops was a bit later. I guess he started actually working in a shop c. 1990 when he was an undergraduate at OU, and then he wound up buying the shop (owner liked him, wanted to retire and thought Eric would both take care of the shop and be able to pay for it; he was right). After doing that for some years, he decided to got back to school and get an MBA and become a CPA, so he found a buyer and did that. He still rides and so does his lovely wife, but no longer works in the field.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby survivingworldsteam on Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:16 pm

I have neglected to share with you all a picture of my restored steed, and my testimony:

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And here is it's entry in the Internet Bike Database

http://ibikedb.net/bikes/35137-viscount-aerospace-g-p

The only concession to modernity I have made is that I have added a cycling computer (a Specialized SpeedZone Comp) to help me monitor my progress.

And now the really good news. I am now riding 3-6 miles a day, plan on stretching it to 9 miles. And as I ride, not only is it restoring my lungs and muscles to the condition they were before I got so sick; I am also able to cut way back on the allergy medicine. I now feel good most days; rather than feelng bad all the time. I thank God for making the choice to fix it up and ride again.

Today I was able to ride at 19-20 MPH on level ground heading out with a good breeze behind me, but could only do 13-15 MPH riding back into it, and began to "run out of gas." Still my average for today was 15 MPH, and I will continue to work on improving it.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Sharon Marsalis on Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:34 pm

James, we are thrilled for you!! You go, bro! PTL!
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Cedar on Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:01 pm

James, I don't think I've mentioned before that I found my own deep red treasure about a year ago: an early (or mid-) 1970s-vintage Schwinn female bicycle :) She still bears her Houston, Texas registration sticker from 1975 and is in almost new condition ... with some tiny rust spots on the handlebars and dings on the fenders. A real beauty, truly, she is! I've done nothing to this sweetheart beyond riding near our home and alongside my daughter. I do keep my relic-bike beyond the reach of rain or creeping moisture. She cost but $20 (at a church rummage sale), and that seemed to me a very good price! :)
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby survivingworldsteam on Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:41 pm

Cedar wrote:James, I don't think I've mentioned before that I found my own deep red treasure about a year ago: an early (or mid-) 1970s-vintage Schwinn female bicycle :) She still bears her Houston, Texas registration sticker from 1975 and is in almost new condition ... with some tiny rust spots on the handlebars and dings on the fenders. A real beauty, truly, she is! I've done nothing to this sweetheart beyond riding near our home and alongside my daughter. I do keep my relic-bike beyond the reach of rain or creeping moisture. She cost but $20 (at a church rummage sale), and that seemed to me a very good price! :)


How nice -- and a good price indeed.

An SOS soap pad will probably remove those rust spots; works great if the pits are not too deep. I then go over the bike with either furniture wax or Turtle Wax spray wax. Oil the chain, top off the tires, and it is ready for many more years of service.

I like a "working retro" like that. It has more character; the dings almost tell a story.

We were eating at an Olive Garden last night. Over our table, there was picture of a ladies bike. It looked similar to the picture below, but it was white, and had a wicker basket on the handlebars instead of the front baggage rack. The top bar had a smooth curve to it, not the angles you see here. No mesh to keep the ladies' skirts out of the spokes, but the lovely fenders, hand brakes, detailed full chain guard, and the dynamo with the neat bracket attaching it to the front fork.

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As I sat there eating, I thought how elegant it looked in the patio scene it was in. A different machine from my Viscount, but very functional, and very practical. I could see my wife or daughter riding it, with our miniature poodle riding in the front basket.

The balloon tire bikes like your Schwinn are also such elegant machines.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Cedar on Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:55 pm

Thanks for the tips, James. I'll take a pic of the bike and post it here soon!
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby survivingworldsteam on Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:33 pm

When I was in Junior High and High School during the bicycle boom of the early 1970s; I worked in a series of bicycle shops. The first one was a small shop owned and ran by a single individual, Frank Foot. It was the first job I ever held down; but he showed me the ropes, then left me to open and run the shop each day; coming in at night to collect the money and lock up. Quite a lot of responsibility for young lad like myself.

We sold mostly cheap Huffys and Murrays, but also an occassional Motobecane and maybe Ross? We had a new trick bike in the window that let you steer both the front and back wheels; can't remember the brand or if we ever sold it. Most of our business was repairs.

One day, he brought in an ancient bike, and to my shock and surprise had me clean it up so he could take it someplace and sell it. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name of it now; it had painted rims that could take contemporary 27 x 1/4 tires and tubes. The "tank" on the frame had small door; inside was a small leather bag with the bike tools in it.

I knew it was special (at least to me), so after I cleaned it up; I took it out for short ride up and down the street. I then posed it, along with the Schwinn Varsity I was riding a the time and a balloon tire Schwinn, and took some pictures of it.

Here they are. I apoligize for the quality; they were taken with the Kodak X-15 camera I had. I had absolutely no idea that 35 or so years later; I would be sharing them with folks across the country.

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Hard to tell from this picture; but I paid what was back then a huge amount of money for brake shoes for my Varsity. They were Scott Mathauser brake shoes, with it's special rubber compound shoes (containing iron oxide) bounded to finned brake shoes. However, when my Varsity was stolen, trashed, and recovered; I transferred them to the Viscount I bought to replace it. 35 years later, they are still going strong. I think they were worth the money. 8)

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Anyone else here own a Schwinn Varsity growing up? They were good, rugged bikes; but as lightweight European and Asian bikes came on the market in the 1970s; purist looked down their nose at them for being too heavy. (They weighed 40 pounds; versus 21 pounds for my Viscount when new.) Still, Schwinn made millions of them through the 1980s; and there are still plenty kicking around today.

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The wooden shed in the picture above had a ton of bicycles in it, and a vintage Indian motorcycle. While rooting around in the shed one day, I tipped it off it's kickstand, so that it was leaning against the wall. I was scared to death, and thought my skinny frame would never get it back on it's stand; but after a lot of pulling and grunting with all my weight, I finally did.

After a few months or a year (time fades these memories), he decided to close the shop completely. I helped him clear the bikes out, and that was it. He died not long after that. To this day, that bike is the oldest bike I have had the pleasure to work on.

I then went to work for a Schwinn dealer; a whole different operation. But the potheads who worked there and I didn't get along, and I was fired after a few short months (the shortest job I ever worked.) I then went to work for a family run store that sold Ralieghs and other nice imported bikes. It was there I found my Viscount sitting in a corner with a broken fork, and bought it to replace the Varsity. The owners also had a highwheel bicycle on display in the window, which the owner rode in parades. I studied it several times; but never had the nerve to ask to ride it.

That shop went bust along with the bicycle industry in the late 1970s. In one of those twists of fate, I ended up working right next door to it a few years later, but in a computer shop selling PC clones, Commodore Amigas, and software.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby survivingworldsteam on Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:56 pm

Since I mentioned the Schwinn Varsity, and this is a Technology forum; mention of the following seems reasonable:

Most frame builders built their frames from lightweight chrome moly steel tubing supplied by other manufacturers, such as Reynolds and Columbia. They would cut the tubes to size if needed; and either braze the tubes into lugs for expensive bikes; or weld them together for cheap bikes. (Cheap bikes were made of heavy straight thickness carbon steel tubes; and are called “gaspipe bikes” by purists.)

Since the tubing came from outside suppliers, the builders were vulnerable to changes in pricing. The brazing process could also be labor intensive. Given the mass produced nature of the Schwinn Varsity and Continental bikes, Schwinn decided to use a different approach.

Schwinn instead purchased coils of 1010 (carbon?) steel strip. They then rolled and formed the flat strips into tubes and other shapes, and electro-forged (E/F) the parts together. The completed frame had the smooth one-piece look of a hand fillet-brazed frame of their earlier offerings; but could be manufactured quickly and with a minimum of manual effort by expensive E/F machinery.

The following web page describes the fascinating technology:

http://sheldonbrown.com/varsity.html

I remember back in the day that Varsity and Continental frames were sometimes lumped in the same category as cheap welded frames due to the weight and lack of lugs; but they were something entirely different. I also heard them compared to the internal lugged and brazed frame such as the one found on the Viscount; but once again, it is an entirely different process altogether.

The technology that worked so well and produced millions of bikes cheaply also doomed Schwinn from switching to lightweight lugged frames along with the rest of the industry. They did produce a lightweight lugged frame bike (the Paramount); but it was an expensive upper market bike, and not a cheap mass-produced model. Sticking with the E/F frames, and missing the mountain bike craze are two of the things that contributed to the downfall of the company. (They also made little distinguishment between their heavy domestic built bikes, and their lightweight imported bikes; so the entire line was percieved as been heavy and old-fashioned.)
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Cedar on Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:17 pm

James, lovely photos from your bicycle days of yore :) Fantastic, actually, in their assemblage ~ and in their lack of spit-spot clarity :)

Here are a few of my vintage girl. She is a Schwinn Suburban and my kindred spirit-on-wheels, no doubt. While maybe not a rarity (I can see from beginning readings online), I am very grateful to have her ... and will begin the shining-up process very soon :!: Now, how to acquire new tires, I am not so sure.

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Also, I will be needing a basket :) ( of course :!: )
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby survivingworldsteam on Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:07 pm

Holly;

Nice! Obviously, the same vintage as my Viscount; mine still has its Bike Tag from the City of Lafayette; though no year is on it.

It has a nice patina to it. She has aged gracefully, and the mechanical parts, including the cables (except maybe the rear derailluer cable on the right side), appear to be in good shape.

A gentle scrubbing with an SOS soap pad will remove the surface rust from on top of the forks and the chrome. The same kind of polish you would use on a car will remove the oxidation from the paint, and her old beauty will shine through once again. It is hard to find the touch-up paint in the little bottles with the brush anymore; I did find white appliance touch-up paint for the Viscount, and ended up using blue and black Sharpie markers to touch up the frame of my son's bike. A red Sharpie marker will probably be close to the original color on yours once you have polished it. Singer sewing machine oil, which you can find at Wal-Mart and other places if you don't already have it, is good to use to drip down the cable housings, the hubs of the little wheels on the derailler, and onto the pivot points on the brakes and derailler. A heavier oil, such as motor oil or transmission fluid is good to use on the chain. I find that Lucas transmission oil treatment works great for me.

Once you clean it up, take it to a local bike shop. They will have the tires and tubes that will fit; they can also check everything out to make sure it is safe to ride; the left derailler cable might need to be replaced, the the derailler itself adjusted.

Once you get it back, it will be good for many more years of service. While Schwinn missed the move to lightweight European and Japanese bikes in the 1970s and 1980s, their bikes from those days are indestructable, and like you said, many are still with us today. If well take care of; it could be the last bike you will ever need to buy.

I have been reading the Classic and Vintage forum on the bikeforums for awhile now; there is quite a bit a interest in these old bikes; as folks like us seek out their rides from their childhood and teenage years. And the prices have actually risen a little; my Aerospace G.P. could go for $200 now should I decide to sell it; though the replacement cost of a new bike far exceeds that. I think you will find your new/old ride will turn some heads when you hit the road; the young ones in particular often comment on my bike when I ride by.
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Re: My own time machine (Lambert/Viscount bicycle)

Postby Cedar on Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:00 pm

Thanks so much for your thoughts and advice, James. She rides so smoothly as long as I keep the front tire pumped up. And I have someone to bring into conversation too, now ... along with my dad's '57 and '63 reds :) Not stoked up yet, but ... wait till I get that basket ;)
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