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Old Interurban concret trestles in Cockrell Hill.

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Old Interurban concret trestles in Cockrell Hill.

Postby alexandertroup on Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:47 pm

Located in the old Cockrell Hill area and soon to be a site for an Arts Colony, and following the myth La Reunion, the concrete trestles date from 1903 to 1933,and are examples of what transportation was in the area and how they have survived today, other examples of the once failed source of travel exsit in the Oak Cliff area as landmarks of an almost Roman cultural age..as theses concret landmarks age and weather....
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Postby Cedar on Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:00 pm

I've seen a photo of this land with the old trestle .... very lovely and unique. And it was a part of the original Cockrell estate, then?
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Postby alexandertroup on Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:51 am

another key structure rides over the old cedar creek area, where the old oak cliff dump is, located in the east, while dating back to the late 1880s, looters, or men who value gold have sifted much of the site for such in the past 9 years, no state agency will do somthing about this..and the strutures look great in the backgound all concrete
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Postby Clyde Howard on Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:30 pm

If you go out Clarendon to the area around 8th & Corinth (where the Red and Blue Lines for DART split) you can find more remnants of the streetcar and interurban lines. And of course the old Monroe Shops main building remains, and has a DART rail stop right next to it.
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Postby Paul Brancato on Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:02 pm

A recent article in CliffDweller Magazine indictes that an arts group has taken over the 35 acre site west of Cockrell Hill. I don't know what their long range plans are for the place, but they are having some kind of tree carving exhibition there this Saturday.
Here's a link to the article:
http://www.advocatemag.com/oak-cliff/ha ... g.html?c=y
I haven't been that direction since Oct. but I did notice some activity then.
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Postby Cedar on Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:24 pm

So Mr. Troup ~ what (or, who) contributed to the preservation of the trestles?

Was the La Reunion colony really a myth, or rather a dream which never came to fruition ... fell through the cracks of the unforgiving Texas soil?
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Postby alexandertroup on Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:22 pm

Ms Cedar, the trestles are now becomming a solved issue, after having spoken to one of the builders of the new art colony who wants to get a more in depth story of the escarpment, while ...the trestles date to the late 1920s possible, i am judging they do becuase of the wood mold prints or relifs left on the very odd and modern roman aquadect looking structures, while the large 4 story landmarks are stained and aged well.

Mean while La Reuion was not a myth, i have 24 diffrent types of brick, hand pressed from wood molds from the colonist who made the colony structures,which lasted to around 60 to 80 years....todays search turned up a very good article on the history and study of Austin Chalk and how it was used at the colony site by Dr David Hill 1936, anything more C :shock: edar, how about a glass of ice tea....until then..A/T..
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Postby Cedar on Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:03 pm

I'm pinned to a board :!: 'Tis my sad fate, but is better than losing my wings to this wind (I guess).

You were the one who said La Reunion was a myth ... so I was just asking 8)

Now, there was a French colony, also, in northern Denton County. Its settlers gave the lovely name of Island of the Trees (Isle du Bois ~ that's 'Zillaboy' for all of you city folk) to the creek which flows up there. What became of them?

Then there was the Icarian colony ~ located in the vicinity of present-day Justin. Some of those people drifted down to Dallas when hope gave out. And there's a neat old guy whose land covers the area, and he thinks that he's found the remnants of the settlement through dowsing with a rod. He has an old schoolhouse on his place, too.

I don't start drinking tea on ice till spring good and sets in, but thankee :) :arrow:

Sorry, Sharon ~ that should have been Island of the Trees.

Still wrong ~ Isle du Bois = 'Island of the Woods'; 'Woodsy Island'? Anyway, the settlers were noticing (not that they could have helped!) the Eastern Cross Timbers -- that 'forest of iron' which, in the early years, was almost impenetrable. But most people think of it as an 'island of trees.' I'm not sure if the translation could be stretched that far or not. The oak trees do extend as little islands or fingers into the Grand and Blackland Prairies.
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Postby Clyde Howard on Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:08 pm

The trestles remaining in Cockrell Hill were built by the Northern Texas Traction Company, which also built the Interurban/Streetcar viaduct across the Trinity, torn down to clear the right of way for the Jefferson Avenue bridge taht now occupies that alignment.

The Trinity Viaduct was built 1930-31. NTT ran last in 1934, though it received payments from Dallas Street Railway for its Oak Cliff lines 9leased to Dallas in the 1920s) and for the use of the viaduct until streetcar service wound up c.1955.

I'm not sure when the line improvements represented by the concrete trestle remnants in Cockrell Hill were done, but the 1920s would fit as that was a tie when services were being up-graded and was the hey-day of the Crimson Limiteds on the NTT.
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Postby alexandertroup on Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:06 pm

Clyde your very much the man to know this kind of history on the Interurban history,thank you , while Mrs Cedar, the myth of La Reunion is pretty much due to the fact no colonies exist in terms of landmarks except Fish Trap Cemetery where Bonnie Parker was buried in 1934, while Herbert Nobel the cat a gangster from the 1950s wars, was blown up and buried there, due to his Santeere family background....and so Fish Trap Cemetery is the only real landmark of the 1855, colony that later moved to Dallas ,Lancaster, Denton, Irving, Grand Praries, Ft Worth and Pilot Point....both of you have made som very good remarks on this Intresting story....a.t
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Postby Clyde Howard on Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:54 pm

alexandertroup wrote:Clyde your very much the man to know this kind of history on the Interurban history,thank you , while Mrs Cedar, the myth of La Reunion is pretty much due to the fact no colonies exist in terms of landmarks except Fish Trap Cemetery where Bonnie Parker was buried in 1934, while Herbert Nobel the cat a gangster from the 1950s wars, was blown up and buried there, due to his Santeere family background....and so Fish Trap Cemetery is the only real landmark of the 1855, colony that later moved to Dallas ,Lancaster, Denton, Irving, Grand Praries, Ft Worth and Pilot Point....both of you have made som very good remarks on this Intresting story....a.t


Interurbans are a thing I'm fond of. Actually - anything with steel wheels on steel rails, especially if it carries people (but things are OK to) is a matter of interest to me and i study them.

I am, just barely, old enough to remember actually riding the Texas Electric between Dallas and Waco (I had just turned five when it made its last run). And I have two books that offer some information on the NTT - there is a brief chapter on it in the Myers book published by the Central Electric Railfan Association on the Texas Electric, and also Harold Middleton's THE INTERURBAN ERA, which surveys interurbans nation-wide.
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Postby alexandertroup on Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:51 pm

I have been trying to work with these folks at La Reunion to get a historical recognition on the standing structures, while i had worked onthe Interurban Buildings on Jackson Streets historical designation in 1999, and so this is just on site the Ft Worth line that goes through Cockrell Hill, shut down around 1936..

The neat thing,is these sites are now being realized, and with your imput clyde, this is going to do more to make these landmarks real for the future......and so by all means, look up La Reunion, the art colony and give them your imput...a/t.
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Postby Cedar on Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:56 pm

I can hardly see a train of any kind pass by without thinking of Mr. Clyde Howard! :)

Alex, did some of the colonists from La Reunion, then, make their ways up northward and give Isle du Bois Creek (now mostly flowing beneath Ray Roberts Lake) its name ~ or was this, perhaps, another group entirely? Seems like I knew once, but have now forgotten.

The Icarian settlement was established a few years earlier than La Reunion, and was very short-lived. The gentleman on whose property the site is believed to lie thinks he has located its unmarked cemetery. Here is what Old Faithful has to say about that sad colony:

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/onli ... /uei1.html


Correction: that should have been Sra. Cedar, Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. ... Troup 8)
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Postby Cedar on Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:15 pm

Too, I was wondering whether previous owners of this property just chose to coexist with the trestles ... rather than having them torn down. While Clyde mentioned the other Interurban remnants, such structures seem to be rarities in their survival.
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Postby Clyde Howard on Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:03 pm

The area where those are was essentially unused, just open space, so i expect it was cheaper to leave them than mess with demolition, though it is clear that there were several sections that were demolished (and long ago - I don't recall any changes in those from the first time i noticed them in the early 1950s till now).

Northern Texas Traction shut down in 1934, i think, ratehr than 1936. If it had kept on operating for just a bit longer, until say 1942, it would have been a very useful adjunct to war production as it would have provided worker transportation to (among other things) the North American plant in Grand Prairie and also service for NAS, Dallas.

And there were lines to Terrell and Corsicana that were abandoned and pulled up even later than NTT, but still too soon to have been useful 1941-45. If only....
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Postby alexandertroup on Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:07 pm

Icaria, Ms Cedar was estb around 1848/49, giver or take a month, then fell to the elements of nature and bad water, 9 men died and the colony of 69 men ,fractured into many places, 2 in Ft Worth and several to Pilot Point, Denton, and Lewisville....the old town of Justin is the colony location, while no signs have been found of the archaeolgical wonder, most of their store good and tools were left behind, mules ran off and wagons and carts found empty or filled with baggages and tents, dusty and torn up by animals ...a ghost expedition, and layed where it did for 20 years in the out back of the brush, many felt the area was cursed and so the remains of this facanating story came to light in the 1900s when farmers came across the remains fo the old colony store goods and dugouts....
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